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does any one know hoe math is involved in the game of the goose? I am work in on a project and need to know.

I think the maths are more involved in the conception and the possible secret messages in the game (the Templars origin theory and the Way of St. James representation). Here is http://www.caminodelsimbolo.com/oca.htm an interpretation, I don't know if this site is reliable... anyway in short it says: the board is a spiral that geometrically express the ascent or the descent; 63 spaces in total--> 6 + 3 = 9, representing 9 the end of a cycle [...and it looks like a spiral too, doesn't it?]. The gooses are distributed along the spiral with a gap between them of 4-5 spaces --> 4 = physical world without conscientiousness (the 4 elements, 4 cardinal points, etc), 5 = the awake conscientiousness into the physical world (the fifth element, the Quintessence) so gooses 5,14 (1+4), 23 (2+3) etc... are the awake wisdom, while the 9, 18 (1+8) 27 (2+7) are the non conscient wisdom (if you fall in a goose, you go to the next goose & throw de dices again). Each two gooses a cycle is closed, with a total of 7 cycles 7 x 9 = 63, the 7 steps of the evolution. The bridge in number 6 (6 = love, a union between the 2 ways, Heaven and earth, the human mission must be in harmony with the spirit/ghost/soul) takes us to the 12 (12 Labors of Hercules, Zodiac). The shelter 19, get some rest (lose turns). The well, 31, you fall, you can't move until a brother come ther to help you. The labyrinth: 42 (4 + 2 = 6) there's a lot of possible ways, where is the exit? Yours is the one that your heart shows and your mind understand - you loose 2 turns. 52, the prison (5 + 2 = 7; the seven antithesis), you loose 3 turns you must find the trinity to continue the journey. 58 (5 + 8 = 13) - the death, the physical death, you have the chance to have a new body to start the way again (the death just before complete the way). I don't know if the numeric distribution is the same in all the versions of the game, this is obviously the Spanish version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.13.111.122 (talk) 23:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image label inaccuracy

The label for the image claims it is a French version of the game but the text on the pictured board is in English. 24.252.195.134 (talk) 16:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's also mentioned in Nabokov's 'Pale Fire'

where the narrator mentions it in his notes (which are the main part of the novel) in relation how Gradus pursued the king through the verse and space.

Lines 181-182: waxwings... cicadas

The bird of lines 1 - 4 and 131 is again with us. It will reappear in the ultimate line of the poem; and another cicada, leaving its envelope behind, will sing triumphantly at lines 236-244.

Line 189: Starover Blue

See note to line 627. This reminds one of the Royal Game of the Goose, but played here with little airplanes of painted tin: a wild-goose game, rather (go to square 209).

Line 209: gradual decay

Spacetime itself is decay; Gradus is flying west; he has reached gray-blue Copenhagen (see note to 181). After tomorrow (July 7) he will proceed to Paris. He has sped through this verse and is gone - presently to darken our pages again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.118.64.61 (talk) 06:37, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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How many dice?

A previous edit changed "a die" to "a dice". Is it one die, or two or more dice?173.66.2.216 (talk) 00:16, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fox and Goose

In several books from 1622, 1664, 1678 or 1732 the game appears as Fox and Goose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.96.206.33 (talk) 09:05, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Games and political ideology

After "opened with a reference to the first Reichstag by Hitler", I removed the rest saying "marking a dark chapter in history where games were used as vehicles for political ideology". I didn't check the source^[1], because I didn't want to surrender an email address and create a 422nd personal account/password combo. I based the deletion on Monopoly and its 1903 introduction as an educational tool to illustrate the negative aspects of concentrating land in private monopolies. ^[2] Feel free to reinstate it, if you think it's supported. _signed,Willondon (talk) 21:18, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Seville, Adrian (2008). "The Sociable Game of the Goose". Board Games Studies Colloquium XI. City University, London: 1001–1014 – via Academia.edu.
^ Pilon, Mary (February 13, 2015). "Monopoly's Inventor: The Progressive Who Didn't Pass 'Go'". The New York Times. Retrieved March 25, 2024.

Spain

I find it interesting that at the start of the article says that the first game was invented by an italian and gifted to the king of Spain, yet no mentio is made of the impact and local rules inj those two countries. At least in Spain there's a basic set of rules with some house variations and a new set of rules for younger generations. These rules are:

Classic

Played with 1 die.

Geese at 1, 5, 9, 14, 18, 23, 27, 32, 36, 41, 45, 50, 54, 59 [i.e. 1 counts as a goose].

Falling on a goose sends you to the next goose and allows for a new throw [falling on 59 sends you to 63]; the player has to say aloud "de oca a oca y tiro porque me toca" (from goose to goose and I throw because it's my turn).

Falling on a bridge sends you to the other bridge (forward or backwards) and allows for a new throw; the player has to say aloud "de puente a puente y tiro porque me lleva la corriente" (from bridge to bridge, and I throw because the current pulls me) [house rule: any bridge square sends the player to square 0 (outside the board=start again) and the player says aloud de puente a puente y me lleva la corriente" (from bridge to bridge, and the current pulls me), ending the turn]

Falling on the hotel makes the player miss one turn [house rules: miss 2 turns, miss as many turns as the hotel sign says (if applicable), stay out of rotation until another player replaces you as guest].

Falling on the dice sends you to the other dice square and allows the player to throw again; the player has to say "de dado a dado y tiro porque" (from die to die, and I throw because") + something that rhymes [usually "me ha tocado" (it's my turn) or "son cuadrados" (they are square)].

Falling on the well (commonly known as "the bronze well") makes the player miss 3 turns [house rules: 1) stay out of rotation until another player falls on the square and replaces the trapped one, 2) for some two player games where 1 is observed, if the other player falls on death, the trapped player gets free, 3) for some games where the main rule is observed, if two players share the space, the second one is not subject to the penalty]

Falling into the maze sends you back to square 30; the player may optionally say "del laberinto al 30" (from maze to 30) [house rules: the player misses 4 turns, the player cannot leave until their die lands on a certain number, the square is ignored]

Falling into the prison makes the player lose 2 turns [house rule: stay in until another player breaks the first one out, remaining there as a replacement].

Falling into the death sends you to the start ("square 0") [house rule: the player is sent to square 1]

Falling into the garden through the 59 goose either wins the game or force the player to throw again and go back as many squares as the die shows [not sure which is the riginal and which the house rule].

New (differences)

The hotel seems to have been moved to square 20 in some boards; rule has changed to 2 missed turns.

In the dice, the player throws again and adds the throw depictedon the square to their own [same as international?]

The well has one of two rules (or both at the same time): miss 2 turns or wait until other player who is behind passes you.

The prison makes you miss 1 to 3 turns [I suppose you decide it before the game starts]

As a side note, most boards in Spain are printed with the exact same design created by a toy brand called Marigó in I believe it was the 80s (which replaced their previous quite different design), so there are a lot of house rules based on the pictures on that board.--94.73.53.33 (talk) 94.73.53.33 (talk) 11:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Seville, Adrian (2008). "The Sociable Game of the Goose". Board Games Studies Colloquium XI. City University, London: 1001–1014 – via Academia.edu.

[2] Pilon, Mary (February 13, 2015). "Monopoly's Inventor: The Progressive Who Didn't Pass 'Go'". The New York Times. Retrieved March 25, 2024.

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